Guest Post: CitizenRE: Not All That’s Renewable Is Green (Part 2 of 3)
Today’s guest post comes from our friends at Solar Kismet. You can find Part 1 of this series here.
The three most common reactions from many CitizenRE supporters when questioned about unrealistic goals is to:
- Dismiss any questioning as being a solar industry conspiracy against the new competition. However, three other solar companies already offer a similar rental model, and you would be hard pressed to find any serious debate on their integrity.
- Chastise the existing industry as having accomplished little and not having a real vision for the revolutionary ideas, even though the industry has grown at a rate of 40% annually over the last decade. Thousands of people work in the solar industry, many of whom have no vested financial interest in any one company, and a sizable portion are skeptical of CitizenRE’s claims.
- Explain what CitizenRE isn’t rather than answering the substantive questions about what it is and can reasonably accomplish.
Ultimately, the skepticism of CitizenRE is founded in overstated plans that have relatively little supporting documentation, other than “trust us.” CitizenRE’s goals are ambitious to say the least:
- World’s Largest Solar Manufacturing Plant - Last June, Nanosolar (a company started in 2001 and backed by the Google founders) announced the construction of a 430 megawatt solar manufacturing facility, the world’s largest. Nanosolar’s new thin film technology was met with cautious optimism: as one industry insider put it, announcing and producing are two different things. CitizenRE states it intends to develop an even larger 500 megawatt solar manufacturing plant that will use a new combination of lower-quality silicon material. Originally slated to begin production in early 2007, the CitizenRE website now states a production goal of early 2008. In a recent interview, Sharp Solar, one of the world’s largest solar companies, indicated they have manufacturing lead times of 18-24 months under the best circumstances, which would further push CitizenRE’s new plant into 2009. The proposed plant is not on the radar of any solar news or industry analysts and CitizenRE has still not announced a location.
- New Solar Technology - CitizenRE’s new solar manufacturing plant will use a lower-purity silicon in the production of the solar panels, in hopes of lowering costs. All things being equal, this will result in a lower-efficiency solar panel. The new technology has no commercial track record. Furthermore, silicon supplies are tight, impacting multinational corporations like Sharp and Kyocera. CitizenRE will also need to deal with this tighter market.
- New Inverter Manufacturing Plant - Solar panels produce DC power, like batteries. Inverters convert the DC power into grid-compatible AC power. CitizenRE also intends to build their own inverter manufacturing plant.
- Third-Party Solar System Ownership - Three companies already offer “third-party ownership,” where a solar company owns and operates the solar system installed on a customer’s building. CitizenRE is similarly proposing to operate the third-party ownership model on residential homes, a scale over 200 times smaller. The also plan to do business in 30 or more states than existing companies currently operate. Industry analysts indicate that they cannot run any realistic scenarios where such a venture could be profitable.
- 100,000 Installations per Year - There are currently about 35,000 solar systems in the United States, with approximately 30,000 (PDF) of these coming in the last six years. CitizenRE originally had a stated goal of 100,000 installations per year, which has since been scaled back to a reported 25,000 per year.
- 2025 Vision - By 2025, CitizenRE has a vision to operate 25% of net electricity generation (presumably in the U.S.), 20% of peak capacity (also presumably in the U.S.), 330,000 megawatts of solar manufacturing capacity, and over 1 million megawatts of installed capacity. It is truly unclear how these are in the realm of reality. They will need to build 660 of their 500 megawatts plants in the next 18 years - that’s thirty-eight plants per year. And the first one has been delayed at least one year.
If any ONE of these things was announced by an unknown company, the idea would be met with serious skepticism. Frankly, if many of these things were announced by an established company, there would be skepticism. But the combination of industry-changing goals, all with serious learning curves, really brings into question CitizenRE’s basis of understanding. Could five established companies accomplish these goals, let alone one unknown?
CitizenRE’s business structure and start-up methodology also raise questions. As a multi-level marketing company, CitizenRE has recruited over 5,000 “ecopreneurs” who are not company employees, but rather associated with the company and will potentially receive a payment based on signing up other customers. Typically MLMs involve emotional sales pitches, sold from person to person, and can be associated with devolving into pyramid schemes, where a few top leaders make money by exploiting the lower ranks.
In CitizenRE’s case, money isn’t exchanging hands, which is frequently cited as a reason CitizenRE can’t be a scam. Instead, an equally powerful motivator is being used, one that drives the environmental movement: hope. CitizenRE is essentially promising THE energy, environmental and economic solution all rolled into one. It’s a powerful emotional driver that has resulted in the viral spread of CitizenRE’s ecopreneurs and potential customers, many of whom are no doubt one in the same, and whom may not understand the nuances of what they are selling or purchasing. Perhaps the promise of a future solar system is reason enough to participate, in leiu of immediate payment. Since ecopreneurs will ultimately be compensated (PDF) based on the number of systems they refer, misinformation and excessive hype has been the common marketing strategy. The company has since disapproved of such tactics, and ordered associates to stop using such tactics.
In addition to the sales force and resulting customers, CitizenRE will also need to train and recruit hundreds, if not thousands, of site inspectors and installers across the country. Not all homes will be suitable and every installation is unique, with the permitting and interconnecting process varying by each locality and electric company. Imagine trying to process 25,000 permits for a backyard deck, a common permitting request, in a few thousand cities. Now imagine doing so with a technology of which the inspectors are only vaguely aware. As permits delay things, installation quality will likely suffer in the name of making up speed and efficacy. And once the installation is complete, the system needs to be inspected for safety with the electric grid. Delays are inevitable at nearly every level of the sales and installation chain.
Ultimately, one wonders why they did it this way - marketing heavy and delivering lightly. Why not start building the manufacturing plant, which in order to raise money from investors or loans from banks, would have to show fiscal solvency in and of itself? Prove that idea. Why not start installing tens, and then hundreds of systems in the California first, the best market for solar systems, and build some industry experience and credibility? Prove that idea. Why not focus on doing one thing well before doing all things hypothetically? I am amazed at how far the hypothetical has taken this company.
Instead, CitizenRE has promised it all to everyone. There is basically nothing they haven’t decided they can do bigger and better than the existing solar industry, as if forging new paths is only a matter of an idea. But ideas are cheap and CitizenRE needs to hit grand slam after grand slam in order to come close to their vision. The shifting time frames and requests for patience have already started, and it is only a matter of time before various parts of the plan fall apart. The best businesses do one of two things - “promise and deliver” or “underpromise and overdeliver.” It’s kind of ironic that the industry is now abuzz about CitizenRE, a brand new company that hasn’t delivered anything…only promised.
Next Time: What effect might CitizenRE’s improbable success have on the industry? What about failure? (part 3 of 3)


February 20th, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Great series so far–when I first read about CitizenRE, I thought it had to be too good to be true. Critical articles such as this one are so important to keeping those of us greens who aren’t tech-savvy (at least in this area) in the loop so we can make informed decisions.
February 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Since one of the main problems with solar electric is economy of scale it would seem that this plan would have merit. Right now there’s just not enough people willing to dip into their pockets for the ~$40K it takes to put in a basic system that won’t pay for itself for 20 years. So the mass market is scaled to people in remote areas where being on the grid is more expensive than being off and using solar. Mass production associated with this project should help bring the per unit costs down substantially.
I don't have time to research deeply right now but a worry I would have would be obsolescence. The boom in production will also come with a boom in innovation so a standard for modular panels that can plug into the base system would be a necessity so they can be upgraded as the technology evolves. Also the control system should be modular so you don't get stuck on old technology there as well. If I was in a long term contract with these guys I would certainly want something in the contract to cover the advancing technology. I wouldn't want them getting credit for my sales back to the grid if I could buy a more powerful system of my own for a couple of thousand bucks in 5 years.
Also a change in law about the power companies' requirement to buy back electricity could cause the entire house of cards to fall. Power companies don't mind this now because their losses to this technology are insignificant (plus solar helps kicks in to alleviate peek demand anyway); but should this advance on the scale this company desires look for a very powerful energy lobby to push back.
February 20th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
A few points that need clarification:
1. The 2025 Vision you mention above is not an accurate quote. Citizenre says that their goal is to assist the US become 25% solar - not to do it all themselves.
2. In Jimmy's post, there was talk about being able to back out of the contract. Citizenre has made it clear that you can back out if you can get energy cheaper elsewhere but of course you would lose your security deposit. They state that each customer would need to do a cost-benefit analysis to see if it is cheaper to stay or leave. But they also claim that their business model will work with whatever new technology comes along. It would obviously be in their interest to adjust the rates accodingly, rather than lose customers.
3. The idea that MLMs are inherently corrupt and devolve to pyramid schemes is silly. Sure, some MLMs have been scams, but there have probably been many more non-MLM corporation scams! Some of America's most trusted brands use MLMs. Think Avon, Tupperware, Mary Kay. A true network marketing company has limits to how deep the payouts go, and the largest payouts go to the bottom line anyway.
4. Citizenre is not completely structured as an MLM, that is just their residential sales model. Commercial sales will be done by franchisees. The manufacturing plant is admittedly unique - a bold way to eliminate the middleman and get the costs down.
5. Because it is so easy to become an Ecopreneur (and free, to boot) I doubt the company is going to reveal any more to the Ecopreneurs than they do to the general public. It is probably not wise to form any opinions based on what the Ecopreneurs say.
Disclaimer: I am a Citizenre Ecopreneur, but not customer.
February 20th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Strike my first comment above. Upon reviewing their website and some of their materials, it is unclear if Citizenre means to assist to make solar 25% of the generated capacity, or do it all themselves.
April 11th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Good article, and I agree (I haven’t looked at them since I wrote http://clean-energy-now.org/news.php?readmore=69, because I decided they aren’t worth more of my time).
It is good to have stuff like this public.
August 21st, 2007 at 1:31 pm
These guys are apparantly marching forward to whatever fate awaits them.
The ironic aspect of this is that CitizenRE can only be as successful as their production/installation complex. Do they think that all the rest of us installers are just going to drop what we have been working our butts on ligitimately, and go start installing at what portends to be less than half the revenue of a system we install now? I do not see an installer revenue stream in this organization, and that makes me very nervous. Where is the cost stream for the AC electricians, the wire, the combiner boxes, etc? You can not escape these costs.
How do you make a $2000 tax credit pay for all the above? I do not think it is going to happen. Not even $4000 is going to cover the cost of materials /installation if Congress lifts the cap to that. They portend to have all this capital to pay for manufacturing facilities, but that is only going to be a small aspect. Due to the fact that they are not selling anything but electricity, they are going to have to front end the costs of every one of these installations then get it back in a trickle.
Secondly are they really going to blow off the XCEL Solar Rewards on Colorado? Over 50% of the cost of the system, irrespective to size to 10kW?
Do they think they can run the paperwork in Colorado for XCEL incentives? How are they going to install in Colorado without working through XCEL? I DO NOT think that is going to fly by the CoPUC. There is currently no tarrif in Colorado for residential third party systems. Have they geared up to resolve this? I do not think this org is anywhere near ready to install a single module in Colorado, much less deal with the rest of the story.
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